Today we're going to attack your mindset. I know we talked a lot about money mindset, but this is going to dip into a little more of just who you are mindset. There's a lot of integration. Obviously that's going to happen. But today's guest Deanna with label free podcast has a tremendous insight Good, bad amazing story and journey to get to where she's at, but there's no way she could get to where she's at without having a mindset that is very strong and pushes her through. So today that's what we're going to chop up about without further ado. Deanna, why don't you tell us about your story?

Deanna Kuempel:
1:58

Hey, thank you for having me 1st and foremost. I love it when I get opportunity to be on the other side of the mic, it's changes things up, but I also think it's good experience. I've got a very up and down roller coaster story. Just like everyone, our paths aren't linear. I had an abusive father. He was deadbeat took off when I was like, 15. I have 4 kids. I'm the oldest of five siblings. I unfortunately repeated the pattern. After I graduated high school with an abusive guy and got involved, and I'm a human trafficking survivor, we got involved in drugs, but luckily I was strong enough mentally to really seek counseling and just got involved in martial arts and just started reading like not self help books, but like enlightenment books, right? For, we've come so far since then in society, but then I met my, after I got out of that relationship, I got, I met my late husband. I was with him for almost half my life when he passed away, we had five large five businesses together. So a couple real estate holding companies and then a large manufacturing company. We were in automotive. I was the vice president of key accounts and business operations. I closed many multiple multi million contracts during my time there in that industry and in that business. When he passed away in 2016, I had to completely restart my life and it, I actually. Went back and repeated old behaviors and patterns and attracted a very abusive boyfriend again. And I think it's just because of the trauma, and grieving and, like having to figure out my life again. And, it was just, it was wild. And so I, after I, Got out of that relationship. I really took a lot of time to just focus on me and healing myself and just finding that peace and that happiness and joy, just being by myself, which I think is very important. I'm not one. I've never been one to jump from relationship to relationship. They say that you should take like up to a year after you break up with someone to really process and let go of that baggage. And so I did for several years, actually. During that time, I got into fashion design. I started my own label. I did three collections. I was on the runway in Rhode Island at Style Week. I was on their local news. I was a finalist for the Cadillac Design Challenge here in Chicago with Style Chicago. And then I did my own event against human trafficking in 2019, which was huge. Had 300 people. And that was the end of that. And then I got into podcasting and so here we are five years later. I'm a top podcaster, and I love what I do. It's all that I do now. So I consider myself like a media house and my story's about living label free and just like dropping for me. Why I started it and the message was, I was tired of carrying all those labels on me, abused, not worthy, a widow just like all those negative things that we carry with us throughout our life and those experiences that we had. I was like, I'm done. I don't care anymore. I'm living label free and people can think whatever they want, but I don't care. And then that was just very liberating for me.

Stoy Hall, CFP®:
4:55

So when you finally got to that stage, we're gonna hit upon more of your story because Yeah, no worries. I know that was a lot. Have you wrote a book about it?'cause I think not yet.

Deanna Kuempel:
5:02

I, yeah, I know it's on my list, but I'm only one person. You know how it would, like, how it's very intense having a podcast. There's a lot of things involved, so like I can only do so much. All right. Trust Doy. Yeah,

Stoy Hall, CFP®:
5:15

that's fair. But I'll keep you to it, don't worry. We'll get that book out. Alright, sounds

Deanna Kuempel:
5:17

good.

Stoy Hall, CFP®:
5:17

When you got to that freedom of just being label free and. Basically telling everyone else to F off. When, what work did it take to get there? Was it like a light bulb situation? Was there an event or was it just you were just so tired and it was like, you know what, I think

Deanna Kuempel:
5:35

all of the above really, like I, I done so much work on myself in my life, right? Like in my early twenties, my counselor said oh, wow, you're way ahead of your time. Most people don't start working on this stuff until their midlife. So I had already started working on myself there. Then I was with my husband, my late husband for so long. And, I actually got certified as a life coach during that period while I was, help running the businesses. And I, I've always been on this journey of wanting to improve myself. And after he passed away and I started the label free podcast, it was like, I was, I had never been a good self promoter. Like I'm very, I'm like, I'm the one that usually I used to be the one that would sit in the corner and just listen and take it all in. My employees used to say, you're very interesting because I would just really listen a lot. And my late husband was always the talker, like he was the talker. And and I had told him, I said, I'm not always, I'm not going to sit in the backseat forever. Like I'm going to eventually step into the limelight myself. And I was forced to do that after he passed away. And it was very difficult because, I don't, I wouldn't say what is that term that like the imposter syndrome? I don't really believe in that, but there's that fear of. I was told, no, you're not good enough. You never amount to anything, all those negative things that are being said to you. And I just was like, I'm not going to believe these lies anymore. And so for me, it was like, I, first of all, you have to admit that you're, that your brain is saying that, that little man's talking shit to you, right? Oh, sorry. I don't know if I can swear.

Stoy Hall, CFP®:
6:59

No,

Deanna Kuempel:
7:00

you have to admit that you're. You're not the guy's talking shit to you. Number one, number two, you have to be able to face that. See where is it coming from? Why are you believing these lies? Because you are worthy. And and then it just, when I was ready to drop it all and be completely open and honest about things that I've been through, then it was just like, it was very, Liberating and it created in a different kind of strength inside of me

Stoy Hall, CFP®:
7:26

beyond tremendous to be able to do that because the odds are stacked against you. Yes, probably multiple times. You know what I mean? It's amazing. I'm

Deanna Kuempel:
7:33

still alive. Yeah,

Stoy Hall, CFP®:
7:34

it's like it truly is. We laugh about it, but it is it truly is. And there's a lot of people out there that are not maybe going through that exact same thing, but they have their own things. We all do. Yeah, and what's triggered your how did you even get to starting to work on yourself? Obviously we do it with age at some point. It just I don't know. We would not

Deanna Kuempel:
7:56

everybody.

Stoy Hall, CFP®:
7:57

That's true. Half my family. Yeah. Besides that what do you think was your step? What made you want to

Deanna Kuempel:
8:04

something better for myself? I didn't, I wanted peace, right? I wanted to find joy and be grateful for what I have and who I am and not let life just Passed me by and not live in a better place after it. So when you watch someone die, like you're someone who you're married to, you've been with almost half your life and you watch them lose their battle with life. And I was young, I was like 38 when I, 38. Yeah. And when you watch someone. He was larger than life. He ultimately killed himself because he was a big steroid user. He wouldn't stop injecting. And he was a big bodybuilder. It really changes your perspective, right? Whoa, like life is very short. And, we only are, we all have a reservation. We can't cancel. And so what do I want the rest of my life to look like? I felt like I was very lucky. I, It makes me sad sometimes that he's not here with us anymore, but that was his journey, right? And he was not, I knew he wasn't gonna make it, he was like, he was giving up. He needed his third kidney transplant. And I fought with him endlessly to just stop injecting, to snap out of it, you're gonna be fine, and he just wasn't there, when I watched that, For several years, just that steady decline, it really changed my perspective. Whoa I'm blessed to be healthy. I'm blessed to be alive and blessed to have drive. I'm blessed to be smart, I'm blessed to be like active and strong and just all these different things. And you have a choice. And I think that's the hardest thing for people to realize. You have a choice. What do you want your life to look like? This woe is me, victim mentality is not doing you any favors. Like you got to snap out of it. You got to take ownership over your shit. Then you got to if you want a better life for yourself, you got to own it. You have to make a choice. And so I just made a choice. I remember like I would sit in my living room. I own a townhouse in the suburbs. I live in Chicago now with my new husband. And I remember sitting there by myself and just enjoying the peace and quiet of just sitting there with no TV on, no music, and just feeling a sense incredible peace. And it took a while to get there, but that was a choice that I made where I wanted to be.

Stoy Hall, CFP®:
10:14

Peace. You brought up peace. Peace is important. It's so important. I don't think people understand it. You think about anyone who survived trauma and that's from, the military to sports to, trafficking, you name it. They all want one thing and that is peace. It seems as if though the others that Don't recognize that they're not looking for peace. They're looking for chaos, whether it's subconsciously or not. Yeah. They're looking for chaos because of, I don't know, the media, the driven piece of it or whatever. But when you're talking about peace and that feeling of peace. What can you say to everyone who's out there that's I can't do it. The peace isn't for me. What can you say to them to at least get them to at least start to think about peace?

Deanna Kuempel:
11:01

And first of all, chaos can be addicting, right? Like that rollercoaster ride you go on, that emotional rollercoaster ride. And I still like some Chaos, but controlled chaos, like going out, having fun. I wasn't at a networking event last night with my girlfriends and just having fun and like the chaos of talking to all these new people, like that's healthy chaos. And that's okay to have that kind of excitement in your life. But the dysfunctional chaos is just going to continue to keep you on a roller coaster that is going to cause more trauma more. And I could, I say it could cause depression, right? It can cause chemical, maybe not in chemical. Yeah, chemical imbalance because you get addicted to that. And so it's like you start repeating a pattern that's negative because of the chaos, like whatever it is in your relationship with your friends, with your family, we know there's all different types. I was in an abusive relationship several times and it's just like a cycle that repeats. Until you decide that I don't want this is not healthy for me and anyone can do it. You have to identify what is a healthy chaos versus what is a negative chaos and what does that look like for you? So my healthy chaos is going to a networking event, having a great time with my girlfriends, talking, listening to music and just like all the excitement around me versus I want peace and stability at home and in my relationships. And if I can't, if I have someone around me that is disturbing that piece and is not stable, then I can't have that relationship. I just I have very clear boundaries around me now because I don't want to get triggered. I've done all these, all this work on myself to get to this place and that kind of stuff will trigger me. And I'm going to go back, and I'm going to turn into the person I was before, and I'm not going to be the best version of myself. And I'm too old, first of all, I'm too old to be acting like that, number one. I'm sorry, but if you're in your 40s and you're still acting like that, you got problems, okay? You need to go see someone. I just don't want to go there. My peace, my stability, it means everything to me.

Stoy Hall, CFP®:
12:53

The huge part about that is, is boundaries, is what you said for me, it was and it wasn't really the pandemic of 2020, but it was the whole civil rights movement in 2020, which most people forget about, right? That was the,

Deanna Kuempel:
13:06

Oh, no, I remember that. We had a big thing here in Chicago. It was crazy. And I was crying watching that. Crying because I have a lot of friends that are, different cultures, different backgrounds, different colors. And I've never, that was very upsetting for me to watch all that.

Stoy Hall, CFP®:
13:22

It allowed me to set boundaries and to figure out who truly should be in my life or not. And that was one of the most freeing things possible. And then, sent me off to. Not ruining relationships, but getting rid of the ones yeah getting rid of the you know If you want to say baggage, whatever toxic the toxicity is what you need get rid of your life And for those listening that can include family and it probably should include family just because someone has a title Doesn't mean anything just because they're blood related It doesn't mean anything. You need to protect, who you are and who you want to be. Oh, yeah. I think that's a phenomenal message you had sent.

Deanna Kuempel:
13:58

I have a sister, and I don't mind, I don't care, not whether she watches this or not, but I've tried my whole life with her. I wasn't always the best, right? This is, this has been my journey to get better, and I think that she thinks that I'm the same person I was 20 years ago, which I'm not. And I've worked on that relationship, I've put in so much effort to work on it, and recently, it's just She like went back into her same cycle and like she wants nothing to do with me. I'm like, you know what, that's fine. Cause I don't need to deal with the instability. If we have an issue with each other, let's talk about it instead of flipping off the handle, getting all crazy, calling me names and just no, first of all, we're blood. Number two, we're too old. You're in your forties too. Like, why are we communicating like this? And so I'm fine. I've blocked her from everything. And that's me setting my boundary. Like I'm not going backwards. Like we meet me at the table if you want to have a discussion and let's talk about it, but you're gonna leave that shit in the past. I'm not staying there with you. I'm not staying there with you.

Stoy Hall, CFP®:
14:52

Absolutely. You had talked about things that trigger you and how chaos is essentially chaos is a drug. Yeah. But we all, it happens, right? It still happens. You still get triggered. Things still happen. It's not all or nothing. I think our culture right now specifically in America is. Yeah. I all have to do all or not, right? There's no such thing as a human that you can only do one thing and not the other. There has to be a mix and I tie this back to money because I have to, it's no BS wealth podcast. Got to go back to money. I tell people when they talk about their budget, they're always cringe when that word comes up because it means I can't spend or whatever. In there, I always tell everyone to have a line item that says fun money, right? And it's literally money. You could go burn. I don't give a shit what you do with it.

Black Mammoth:
15:35

Yeah.

Stoy Hall, CFP®:
15:36

You literally could torch it and I'm okay with it because as humans, we have the ability to be impulsive and you need to be able to achieve some of that impulsiveness because it keeps you healthy. And so I'm glad you had brought that up, but I just wanted everyone to know that you still get triggered, don't you? You still get triggered, right? Yeah, for sure.

Deanna Kuempel:
15:53

I try But here's the difference acknowledging when I get triggered, and someone's trying to gaslight me, or, make me a scapegoat, or put all the blame on me, and just that's justno. When I can see that's happening, before you could just react, right? Because that's the trigger impulses that you just react. Now what I can identify that and I'll just put my boundaries very clear. Like you're not going to gaslight me and I'm not going to be a scapegoat for anyone. I didn't single handedly do anything to anyone. And if you're going to bring up things from the past, I'm not living there with you. So I'm not the same person I was before. And at this point in my life and doing all this work that I do, like I can identify when something is going to trigger me and almost set me off and I will just address it right then and there, and that's just this growth and like wisdom and just acknowledging and knowing what that is because when we're younger, or if we haven't done the work on ourselves, we don't realize what gaslighting is. And it's a real thing. And when someone wants to put all the blame on you and make you a scapegoat, that's another thing. And it's just once you can start like identifying those things, when people do that to you, those triggers aren't so intense, you can acknowledge it and call the personnel, cause someone's, if someone's trying to trigger you, they, they've done that to you before and they know what works to get a reaction out of you and start that, that chaotic, like in that chaotic yeah. Engagement, right? Because it's just like a cycle. So if that makes sense, I don't know if that makes sense. No,

Stoy Hall, CFP®:
17:19

does. And your passion comes through very heavy on that. And obviously it's near and dear to you. I was just

Deanna Kuempel:
17:24

happening recently with family and I'm just like, you know what? I'm not dealing with this anymore. Like I'm way past that, and I'm just, and it's upsetting because. I value family. I have such strong family values and they're in there. They've always been such a big part of my life, but I'm not going to live in these places with them anymore. And so for me, like I, it's just very recent. So that's why I'm so passionate. A little raw still. I love it.

Stoy Hall, CFP®:
17:48

I love that. That brings us to your podcast. Why do a podcast, right? It's not easy. I tell everyone that it one it's a business, but it's also media and then it's your brand. And it sucks, ultimately. Shit is hard. Yes, it is. Why dive into that was it 2019, I think you had started? 2019, yeah. Yeah why dive into that? What was the driving factor by doing a podcast? And then what keeps you going five years later?

Deanna Kuempel:
18:14

So I already told you where the message came from, right? And so also it was me stepping more into my voice, being able to use my voice and talking about a message that was very like meant a lot to me and clearly means a lot to a lot of people. All around the world, it really resonates living label free. Cause you can really apply it. So many different things in, in, in your life and I've had a wide variety of guests on, but the underlying message is always the same and there's some kind of value or wisdom that's in those conversations. I didn't even know what a podcast was in 2019. I had just wrapped up my fashion thing. I'm totally type A if you can't tell. And I always have to have multiple things going on, right? I'm just like, I'm just that type of person. Like I want to achieve things in life. And I got an email and I tell the story a lot. And how to start a podcast for under a hundred dollars. I was like, I don't know who the fuck I am or what a podcast is, but yeah. And so that's when I came up with the message and I read the whole article, I did my research and I just started learning my craft and I remember the day I recorded my intro. Episode, we drank a whole bottle of wine and it took me like 10 takes and I like so nervous and I have no audience really. I've got a little, some presence on social media, but I've got no audience. I don't know, like this whole podcasting game. And I was so scared to like, Like release that first episode, I don't, and I think a lot of people have like fear, but I was like, fuck it, I'm just going to, sorry, sorry guys, but I'm just going to release it and we'll see what happens. And obviously since the beginning till now, I've very much of a fine tune, my craft, my, my interview style, the type of guests that I have on the show, how I promote it. And obviously where it's at now today, where it's a business, I'm a total media house. Person, whatever. And I think it's actually, I think I made a really good decision to start it, but I love talking to my guests. I love get hearing the, those, these pearls of wisdom every single day and releasing it out there to the world. I love getting the response back from the audience. Oh, thank you so much. They're buying books. They're getting, my guests are getting clients, and just knowing that I'm doing my part. I've got. I've got so many incredible reviews and, recommendations and just and I don't even ask for them. They just come in and for me, it's just okay I'm doing I'm where I'm supposed to be, I'm doing what, this is like God's work. This message is much bigger than myself. And what's kept me going is just really keep being, staying true to the message. And not losing sight of that and being passionate about, helping people, you Break free of those self limiting beliefs like I had, and I still have sometimes, you still get doubt like, oh, my, should I be doing this? It's getting so hard. I'm not making millions over here. Maybe one day, but I'm still like I'm like, I feel like I'm doing, I'm, I have a purpose to do right. And I think it's bringing people together, that unity and realizing that we're all, we all have issues. We've all had a unique journey. We've all gotten over different things. And if we can, if I can talk to all these different guests from all over the world that have are living this label free life and they're on their own terms and God bless let's keep in, let's keep inspiring and motivating.

Stoy Hall, CFP®:
21:24

The leap, that first step into it took you 10 takes and a bottle of wine. That's fine. All right. I always tell people just take the first step. It's really not that tired of front and we're talking about podcasting starting a business, you name it.

Deanna Kuempel:
21:35

Yes. Just you

Stoy Hall, CFP®:
21:36

want to do it. You have the passion. Take that first step. What do you say to everyone that is on that fence that hasn't been able to take that step? Maybe they're two bottles of wine deep and they still can't do it. What do you say to those people to just push the button? Send it.

Deanna Kuempel:
21:49

If two bottles of wine doesn't get you to take that leap, then I don't know what will. Everything I've done a lot, I've been a bodybuilder. I've stepped on stage, stage half naked. Like every time it was scary, you're just like, holy shit, putting yourself out there. I do a lot of networking events and I've started speaking. That's scary. Anything worth doing in life that is taking a risk or makes causes some kind of fear inside of you, tells you that you should do it. Like they're what's the worst that can happen Really is like the worst that can happen if you think about it is not much really, right? Okay, if you get a little if someone rejects you okay big whoop dee doo But chances are most people are going to embrace you and you're gonna you're gonna probably go on the best ride of your life By taking that risk or that chance. Like I am on the best ride of my life right now. And sometimes I think who I keep, I, sometimes I still think who the fuck do I think I am, but obviously I am where I'm supposed to be, like there are miraculous things that happen, almost every week that remind me that I'm, I am in the right place and I'm doing the right thing and this is my journey and I have got to keep pushing forward and keep doing what I'm doing. And that's just, there's still fear that comes up for me. I'm human. And what was it nick nolte fear false evidence appears real that's fear false evidence appears real and so it's like If you're fearful just take the step take the risk Anyways, because it's you never know what can happen in that facing that fear there comes Tremendous personal growth. And that is what helps you with, you talked about mindset. That is what helps you with disciplining your mindset to keep moving forward and to try new things and just face your fears.

Stoy Hall, CFP®:
23:28

The common theme that I want people to think about, and I'm going to ask you about all the guests that you introduced you to and see if this is a common theme as well, is I want people to recognize that no one's perfect and no one has their shit together. No one. I've not met one person that I would say, Oh yeah, I'm gonna put you on a pedestal because you're so successful. Yeah. You have all your shit together. You start talking to them, their life is as chaotic as ours is. Yeah. No matter what. Have you found that in all your guests interviews that Really? No one has their shit together. We're just pushing forward and we have the mindset that we're going to make it and do the best to our ability.

Deanna Kuempel:
24:00

Absolutely. Yeah. And some people that I've had on the show have had tremendous failure. I had actually, I had, he was on my show and he's working with me now, pro bono. Actually, he believes in me that to take, to get me to the stage and then he'll be making money off of me later, which is great. I feel very blessed for that, but he lost, like he had, he was an entrepreneur, he lost 60, 000. It was on the verge of bankruptcy and. Like that he talks about his journey, like working through that. And, now he's an incredible coach charging 65, 000 a year for one client. Like I want to get there, you're making up your loss in one client. I want to get to that place and those people, come on, let's talk about, and I'm not sure your audience and what their beliefs, I don't get into politics, but Donald Trump, how many times did he file for bankruptcy? Like some of the most successful people in the world have experienced tremendous failure. And so to me, I don't really believe in failure. Like I dealt, I wrestled with that when I closed my fashion business down because I was like, I thought I was going to be the next Chanel. That was my goal. No, I seriously did. And I didn't realize like all the work, it's very difficult industry, very difficult business to make money in. And people are very picky about their clothes. But I just looked at it, like that was one of my dreams. And I, like most people would never take that risk and chase a dream like that. And I did, but it taught me a lot about how to get comfortable, starting to self promote and also just like business building a brand because my brand is very strong and I, people knew me here in Chicago Holy shit, there's Deanna Marie label here she is and all of that stuff. And I did it. I did have a level of success, but it wasn't the level of success that I wanted. I wasn't like breaking in the money. But I did it. And so closing it was hard and it was difficult, but I went after my dream and I made it happen.

Stoy Hall, CFP®:
25:52

So go do it, everybody. Just go do it. Just get your ass out there and pull the damn trigger. Yeah. You brought up and you brought up Donald Trump and I'm doing it from politics because I don't talk politics. I think they're all dumb. And they do a shitty job anyway. That being said, you had brought on talking about failures talking about bankruptcies. I think fundamentally. As a society because of our media debt, like the word debt

Deanna Kuempel:
26:15

is

Stoy Hall, CFP®:
26:17

used so negatively that it scares the living shit out of people. And ultimately failure is debt. Debt is failure. You cannot be successful without some sort of debt or failure. Richest people in the world have a shit ton of debt. They have so much debt, it would make you nauseous. However, all that is, is leveraging That experience, that money, that person to get ahead, to be successful, to make that money. And if you as a person don't recognize that, then you are one of those people that is getting leveraged for someone else to get. Ultimately, and you need to I need people to trigger that and be like, I need to leverage other humans or other money for me to make money. That is the only way to truly build and be successful to the degree which you want.

Deanna Kuempel:
27:04

Yeah. And most, and if you go to any of these, like I've gone to Tony Robbins, like his one of his shows or events and he had speakers, all these famous Gary or whatever his name is. All the people, all the popular guys out there that are, they're big time speakers and making impacts. And they talk about if you can't come into a lot of money, you should not pay like your house down. You want to use the bank's money to just make your mortgage payment and earn interest. This lump sum money that you have and God knows what, how much money people come into, but he just made a point of lever, like what you just said, leveraging other people's money to get ahead. And so you're right. Business takes money and sometimes you gotta borrow it and see what happens. You're gonna come out of it. You will it be a struggle sometimes. When I lost, when my husband passed away and I lost everything. Like you're talking, we're, you're talking about multimillion dollars, like we have businesses and I had that larger than life. I had the Mercedes, the Ferrari. We flew private, the big mansion, the 10, 000 square foot mansion, and like the IRS was going to come after me for 250, 000. Luckily I got out of that, but like I had to, I had nothing. I went as at the top of the world to nothing and it was a struggle, but now I'm back and I'm the happiest I've ever been. I'm not making the money I want to yet, but I'm getting there. I know it will come. And I've had a lot of debt. I'm still working out some of that debt because you're talking about this big, huge lifestyle to nothing. I'm still working. I'm still working out of some of that stuff, but I'm still here. I'm great. Like I didn't die,

Stoy Hall, CFP®:
28:36

I I was what was I watching? I don't know. I was on some real or something, but it just, it was the little clip and I forgot what movie it was and it was just like. But did you die? No, you didn't. You didn't die. You're good to go. Let's get going with this. So exactly. All right. As we wrap this up, obviously we're going to tag you and everything. So I'm not worried about that. People are going to find you. Yeah. Find label free podcasts. Yeah. It's phenomenal. I just binged about four episodes in the last two days.

Deanna Kuempel:
29:01

Appreciate that.

Stoy Hall, CFP®:
29:02

That being said, what do you want to leave? What's one thing you want to leave everybody with? That can get them to take this next step or maybe change their mindset.

Deanna Kuempel:
29:11

Yeah. So since it is about mindset and so label free is about dropping the labels, and like becoming, like getting out of these self limiting beliefs and it has, there's an alignment there with mindset. And it, and I think people get in their own way over complicating things and. Overthinking things when it really is so simple and whoever you resonate with, like somebody is going to resonate with my message versus resonating with your message or Tony Robbins message or something else. And it's very simple. Like just take that first step. If something is scary, take that first step. And with doing new things creates new wisdom and creates like a different type of mindset in the, and you have to grow as an individual. And as you make the decision to grow. That mindset's going to come in where you're going to know that you're capable, it's possible and failure is just a part of the journey if it happens, but I hope not. I hope you're incredibly successful, but you just have to take that first step and you have no idea what's on the other side of that door. Once you start moving through.

Stoy Hall, CFP®:
30:12

Okay, Deanna said it, get off your ass and take that first step.

Deanna Kuempel:
30:15

It's like going to the gym. Damn it. Just got to get off your ass and just do it.

Stoy Hall, CFP®:
30:18

Just get off your ass and do it.

Black Mammoth:
30:21

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